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“You claim I have no biblical reference….”

You gave no scripture and ignored the ones I gave. I am objecting to INSTITUTIONALIZED HIERARCHY leadership.

“ There will always be need for corporate assemblies among fellow believers…” There is no “corporation” in your alleged scripture on elders or deacons, or ANYWHERE in the NT. No gifting, not even “teaching” is in a hierarchy or reserved for pulpit and pew ritual. You don’t have to say a word about “seating” but when you say “corporate worship” I know the seating dictated and you do also, but you argue that you didn’t say it when you did. Jesus rejected titled leaders as being “anti-brother” and pro-exalting. Matthew 23:8-12. But titled leaders get truth expression RESERVED for them in “corporate worship.” You have yet to respond to God’s instructions for “meeting together” that are REVERSED in “corporate” assembly.

“Yet you attacked me.”

Please quote my “attack”. I gave scripture, the judgements of God to “rebuke and correct” you and not with my opinion.

“…very littlle…addressed anything I actually said…”

You said far more than you are willing to admit, and I have pointed you to it. You are merely arguing making false accusations about what I said. I am patient to expose them to you. I quoted you. Are you blind to that?

“…THAT is the opposite of building up…”

“Rebuke and correction” are 2 of the 4 purposes of edification with scripture. If you are blind to that, you need to grow into receiving this. My first post is LOADED with scripture to “rebuke and correct “corporate assemblies” that have phony requirements ASSUMED into scripture:

1. Where are divided corporate names instructed in scripture? No where. They are rejected by Jesus as showing the lost that they are not “perfectly one” which shows He is not ‘perfectly one with the father”. John 17:20-23

2. Where are the corporate pulpit and pew buildings in the Bible, ALL of which REVERSE God’s instructions for “meeting together”. Even “teaching” is “teaching and admonishing one another…” Col. 3:16. There is no lecture teaching dominated by men with Bible degrees ANYWHERE in the NT, but you believe it’s there for “corporate assembly”.

“I have no room for my faith being attacked online.”

This is a lie against me to deflect from the scripture I gave that EXPOSES institutionalized corruption baked into your “corporate assemblies.” I now what that means, yet you posture you don’t mean that ritual by that. You have “no room” for being EXPOSED with scripture.

Ephesians 5:13

But when anything is EXPOSED by the light,

it becomes visible,

Titus 1:9

He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught,

so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine

and also to rebuke (EXPOSE) those who contradict it.

Titus 2:15 Declare these things;

exhort and rebuke (EXPOSE) with all authority.

Let no one disregard you.

So far, you have YET to respond specifically to one of the many scriptures I have given. This shows you are BLIND to the authority of scripture when it EXPOSES your sin and error.

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“ There will always be need for corporate assemblies among fellow believers.”

Based on what in God’s word?

1. God’s instructions for “meeting together”? No Those instructions are the OPPOSITE of pulpit and pew.

Hebrews 10:24-25

24 AND LET US (all of us)

CONSIDER HOW (prepare in advance of meeting)

to stir up ONE ANOTHER (dialogue, no lecture)

to LOVE AND GOOD WORKS, (BEYOND merely more knowledge)

25 not neglecting to MEET TOGETHER, (not just being in the same room)

as is the habit of some,

but encouraging ONE ANOTHER, (again, no sermon)

and ALL THE MORE

as you see the Day drawing near.

2. Teaching and admonishing? No God’s instructions for that are the REVERSE of pulpit and pew

Colossians 3:16 

Let the word of Christ dwell in you RICHLY,

TEACHING AND ADMONISHING ONE ANOTHER

in ALL WISDOM,

singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,

with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

3. Sing praise to God? No, the previous verse called for “one another” driven singing, not hired expert driven singing.

4. Worship? No. When all these scriptures are REVERSED, it isn’t worship. Worship must be OBEDIENCE. God taught us that with Cain many centuries ago. He has not started accepting men’s own opinions of worship.

We should “one another” about this. That would be worship and teaching. There is MUCH MORE scripture that shows pulpit and pew rituals are a REVERSE of what God instructed.

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